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What does it mean to pray without ceasing? Can ordinary people actually do it? In this episode of Religion to Reality, prolific author and Orthodox Christian writer Frederica Mathewes-Green shares her remarkable spiritual journey: from a devout Catholic childhood to atheistic hippie, to a dramatic conversion in a Dublin church, to 50+ years of daily unceasing prayer. She also opens up about leaving the Episcopal Church, the beauty of Orthodox liturgy, and why she believes spiritual loneliness is one of the great unspoken crises of our time.
IN THIS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE 

How a young Catholic woman lost her faith, explored Eastern religions, and unexpectedly encountered Christ in Dublin.
Federica’s dramatic conversion experience and the voice she believes changed her life.
How Federica and Gregory’s marriage became a path back to faith from atheism to the priesthood.
Why liberal theology accelerated church decline and weakened belief in core Christian teachings.
Gregory’s journey from Episcopal priest to Orthodox priest after leaving an increasingly secular church.
Why they left Catholicism for Orthodoxy and what liturgical worship revealed about humanity’s need for transcendence.
What God’s detailed instructions for worship in Exodus teach us about icons, beauty, and sacred art today.
The difference between liturgy and worship, and why Orthodox worship centers entirely on God.
The Jesus Prayer: its origins, spiritual benefits, and Federica’s practical guide to praying it.
What nearly 50 years of daily 3:00 AM prayer has taught Gregory about discipline and devotion.
Catholic diversity vs. Orthodox unity, and why reunion between the two traditions is more complex than it seems.
Federica’s advice on listening well, asking better questions, and meeting the deep human need to be heard.

ABOUT FEDERICA MATHEWS-GREEN
Frederica Mathewes-Green is one of the most prolific voices in American Christian writing, with over 800 published essays and 11 books to her name. Her work has appeared in The Washington Post, Christianity Today, The Wall Street Journal, First Things, and Smithsonian. She has been a commentator for NPR, a podcaster for Ancient Faith Radio, and a consultant for VeggieTales. A sought-after speaker, she has delivered more than 600 presentations at institutions including Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Cornell, and has been interviewed over 800 times by outlets including NPR, PBS, Time, Newsweek, and The New York Times. She holds an honorary Doctor of Letters from King University and lives in Johnson City, Tennessee with her husband, the Reverend Gregory Mathewes-Green. They have three grown children and 15 grandchildren.
MEMORABLE QUOTE
“Stay alive and keep praying. In time, it becomes second nature, and you realize that He is responding when you invoke His name, and you sense that communion with Him.” — Frederica Mathewes-Green
RESOURCES MENTIONED

The Practice of the Presence of God by Brother Lawrence: The foundational devotional book on unceasing prayer that shaped Frederica’s prayer life. She first read it as a young Christian.
The Jesus Prayer (“Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me”): Developed by the Desert Fathers from the 2nd century onward; rooted in 1 Thessalonians 5:17 (“Pray without ceasing”).
1 Thessalonians 5:17: The scriptural basis for the practice of unceasing prayer, which Paul also addressed to the Romans, Ephesians, and Colossians.
Exodus 25: God’s detailed instructions to Moses for building the Tabernacle — gold, embroidery, bells, pomegranates, and carved cherubim — Frederica’s go-to passage on the importance of sacred...]]></description>
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What does it mean to pray without ceasing? Can ordinary people actually do it? In this episode of Religion to Reality, prolific author and Orthodox Christian writer Frederica Mathewes-Green shares her remarkable spiritual journey: from a devout Catholic childhood to atheistic hippie, to a dramatic conversion in a Dublin church, to 50+ years of daily unceasing prayer. She also opens up about leaving the Episcopal Church, the beauty of Orthodox liturgy, and why she believes spiritual loneliness is one of the great unspoken crises of our time.
IN THIS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE 

How a young Catholic woman lost her faith, explored Eastern religions, and unexpectedly encountered Christ in Dublin.
Federica’s dramatic conversion experience and the voice she believes changed her life.
How Federica and Gregory’s marriage became a path back to faith from atheism to the priesthood.
Why liberal theology accelerated church decline and weakened belief in core Christian teachings.
Gregory’s journey from Episcopal priest to Orthodox priest after leaving an increasingly secular church.
Why they left Catholicism for Orthodoxy and what liturgical worship revealed about humanity’s need for transcendence.
What God’s detailed instructions for worship in Exodus teach us about icons, beauty, and sacred art today.
The difference between liturgy and worship, and why Orthodox worship centers entirely on God.
The Jesus Prayer: its origins, spiritual benefits, and Federica’s practical guide to praying it.
What nearly 50 years of daily 3:00 AM prayer has taught Gregory about discipline and devotion.
Catholic diversity vs. Orthodox unity, and why reunion between the two traditions is more complex than it seems.
Federica’s advice on listening well, asking better questions, and meeting the deep human need to be heard.

ABOUT FEDERICA MATHEWS-GREEN
Frederica Mathewes-Green is one of the most prolific voices in American Christian writing, with over 800 published essays and 11 books to her name. Her work has appeared in The Washington Post, Christianity Today, The Wall Street Journal, First Things, and Smithsonian. She has been a commentator for NPR, a podcaster for Ancient Faith Radio, and a consultant for VeggieTales. A sought-after speaker, she has delivered more than 600 presentations at institutions including Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Cornell, and has been interviewed over 800 times by outlets including NPR, PBS, Time, Newsweek, and The New York Times. She holds an honorary Doctor of Letters from King University and lives in Johnson City, Tennessee with her husband, the Reverend Gregory Mathewes-Green. They have three grown children and 15 grandchildren.
MEMORABLE QUOTE
“Stay alive and keep praying. In time, it becomes second nature, and you realize that He is responding when you invoke His name, and you sense that communion with Him.” — Frederica Mathewes-Green
RESOURCES MENTIONED

The Practice of the Presence of God by Brother Lawrence: The foundational devotional book on unceasing prayer that shaped Frederica’s prayer life. She first read it as a young Christian.
The Jesus Prayer (“Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me”): Developed by the Desert Fathers from the 2nd century onward; rooted in 1 Thessalonians 5:17 (“Pray without ceasing”).
1 Thessalonians 5:17: The scriptural basis for the practice of unceasing prayer, which Paul also addressed to the Romans, Ephesians, and Colossians.
Exodus 25: God’s detailed instructions to Moses for building the Tabernacle — gold, embroidery, bells, pomegranates, and carved cherubim — Frederica’s go-to passage on the importance of sacred...]]></content:encoded>
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What does it mean to pray without ceasing? Can ordinary people actually do it? In this episode of Religion to Reality, prolific author and Orthodox Christian writer Frederica Mathewes-Green shares her remarkable spiritual journey: from a devout Catholic childhood to atheistic hippie, to a dramatic conversion in a Dublin church, to 50+ years of daily unceasing prayer. She also opens up about leaving the Episcopal Church, the beauty of Orthodox liturgy, and why she believes spiritual loneliness is one of the great unspoken crises of our time.
IN THIS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE 

How a young Catholic woman lost her faith, explored Eastern religions, and unexpectedly encountered Christ in Dublin.
Federica’s dramatic conversion experience and the voice she believes changed her life.
How Federica and Gregory’s marriage became a path back to faith from atheism to the priesthood.
Why liberal theology accelerated church decline and weakened belief in core Christian teachings.
Gregory’s journey from Episcopal priest to Orthodox priest after leaving an increasingly secular church.
Why they left Catholicism for Orthodoxy and what liturgical worship revealed about humanity’s need for transcendence.
What God’s detailed instructions for worship in Exodus teach us about icons, beauty, and sacred art today.
The difference between liturgy and worship, and why Orthodox worship centers entirely on God.
The Jesus Prayer: its origins, spiritual benefits, and Federica’s practical guide to praying it.
What nearly 50 years of daily 3:00 AM prayer has taught Gregory about discipline and devotion.
Catholic diversity vs. Orthodox unity, and why reunion between the two traditions is more complex than it seems.
Federica’s advice on listening well, asking better questions, and meeting the deep human need to be heard.

ABOUT FEDERICA MATHEWS-GREEN
Frederica Mathewes-Green is one of the most prolific voices in American Christian writing, with over 800 published essays and 11 books to her name. Her work has appeared in The Washington Post, Christianity Today, The Wall Street Journal, First Things, and Smithsonian. She has been a commentator for NPR, a podcaster for Ancient Faith Radio, and a consultant for VeggieTales. A sought-after speaker, she has delivered more than 600 presentations at institutions including Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Cornell, and has been interviewed over 800 times by outlets including NPR, PBS, Time, Newsweek, and The New York Times. She holds an honorary Doctor of Letters from King University and lives in Johnson City, Tennessee with her husband, the Reverend Gregory Mathewes-Green. They have three grown children and 15 grandchildren.
MEMORABLE QUOTE
“Stay alive and keep praying. In time, it becomes second nature, and you realize that He is responding when you invoke His name, and you sense that communion with Him.” — Frederica Mathewes-Green
RESOURCES MENTIONED

The Practice of the Presence of God by Brother Lawrence: The foundational devotional book on unceasing prayer that shaped Frederica’s prayer life. She first read it as a young Christian.
The Jesus Prayer (“Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me”): Developed by the Desert Fathers from the 2nd century onward; rooted in 1 Thessalonians 5:17 (“Pray without ceasing”).
1 Thessalonians 5:17: The scriptural basis for the practice of unceasing prayer, which Paul also addressed to the Romans, Ephesians, and Colossians.
Exodus 25: God’s detailed instructions to Moses for building the Tabernacle — gold, embroidery, bells, pomegranates, and carved cherubim — Frederica’s go-to passage on the importance of sacred...]]></itunes:summary>
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What does it mean to pray without ceasing? Can ordinary people actually do it? In this episode of Religion to Reality, prolific author and Orthodox Christian writer Frederica Mathewes-Green shares her remarkable spiritual journey: from a devout Catholic childhood to atheistic hippie, to a dramatic conversion in a Dublin church, to 50+ years of daily unceasing prayer. She also opens up about leaving the Episcopal Church, the beauty of Orthodox liturgy, and why she believes spiritual loneliness is one of the great unspoken crises of our time.
IN THIS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE 

How a young Catholic woman lost her faith, explored Eastern religions, and unexpectedly encountered Christ in Dublin.
Federica’s dramatic conversion experience and the voice she believes changed her life.
How Federica and Gregory’s marriage became a path back to faith from atheism to the priesthood.
Why liberal theology accelerated church decline and weakened belief in core Christian teachings.
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What does it actually mean for a 2,000-year-old institution to learn how to listen? In this season premiere of Religion to Reality, multimedia journalist and America Magazine podcast director Sebastian Gomes joins hosts Dave Plisky and Fr. John Gribowich to unpack the Synod on Synodality, Pope Francis's sweeping effort to transform the Catholic Church into a culture of genuine listening. If you've ever wondered whether the Church is really changing, or felt frustrated that it isn't changing fast enough, this conversation will challenge and encourage you.
IN THIS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE

"The message is not getting through, so maybe we should listen instead." Sebastian traces Pope Francis's pivotal shift from speaking to listening, and why it took 12 years of declining church membership to get there. (16:00)
Synodality is not a program, it's a culture. Sebastian explains why treating the synodal process like a church initiative is the most common misunderstanding people have, and what it actually means to change how an institution listens. (22:45)
What people finally said when they felt safe. From women's voices to LGBT experiences to stories of poverty and marginalization, Sebastian describes the dramatic moments inside the synod hall when people said what they'd never felt free to say before. (30:30)
The clergy problem. The most common frustration Sebastian hears from parishioners isn't about Rome, it's about their own pastor. He reflects honestly on why priests and bishops are often the biggest obstacle, and what to do about it. (25:00)
Synodality is coming whether you like it or not. Using the analogy of the early internet, Sebastian makes the case that synodal culture will eventually shape every debate in the Church, from liturgy to parish closings to outreach to young people. (38:30)
The Gen Z Catholic revival and why it's complicated. Hundreds of new converts entered the Church this Easter, making national news. Sebastian offers a nuanced take: it's real, it's notable, and it doesn't mean what you might think it means. (51:45)
You can't become synodal by just reading about it. Sebastian reflects on the personal and spiritual dimensions of synodality, and why you actually have to do it in community before it can transform your prayer life. (46:30)

ABOUT SEBASTIAN GOMES
Sebastian Gomes is a multimedia journalist and the director of podcast and video production at America Magazine, the Jesuit Review. He holds a BA and MA in theology and history from St. John's University in Minnesota.
His media career began in 2012 at Salt + Light Catholic Media in Toronto, where he produced award-winning documentaries, including The Francis Effect and The Francis Impact. In 2022, he wrote and directed People of God, America's first feature documentary on the state of parish life across the United States.
Sebastian led America's coverage of the 2023–24 Rome gatherings of the Synod on Synodality and the 2025 papal election of Pope Leo XIV. He oversees America's weekly podcast portfolio, including Jesuitical, Inside the Vatican, and The Spiritual Life with Father James Martin.
He is based in Kingston, Ontario, Canada, and contributes regularly to americamagazine.org.
MEMORABLE QUOTE
"Synodality is not a program. It's a culture. And resistance to synodality is also, in some ways, a resistance to the Holy Spirit — a lack of faith that God is actually present in our midst when we're together as a community." — Sebastian G...]]></description>
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What does it actually mean for a 2,000-year-old institution to learn how to listen? In this season premiere of Religion to Reality, multimedia journalist and America Magazine podcast director Sebastian Gomes joins hosts Dave Plisky and Fr. John Gribowich to unpack the Synod on Synodality, Pope Francis's sweeping effort to transform the Catholic Church into a culture of genuine listening. If you've ever wondered whether the Church is really changing, or felt frustrated that it isn't changing fast enough, this conversation will challenge and encourage you.
IN THIS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE

"The message is not getting through, so maybe we should listen instead." Sebastian traces Pope Francis's pivotal shift from speaking to listening, and why it took 12 years of declining church membership to get there. (16:00)
Synodality is not a program, it's a culture. Sebastian explains why treating the synodal process like a church initiative is the most common misunderstanding people have, and what it actually means to change how an institution listens. (22:45)
What people finally said when they felt safe. From women's voices to LGBT experiences to stories of poverty and marginalization, Sebastian describes the dramatic moments inside the synod hall when people said what they'd never felt free to say before. (30:30)
The clergy problem. The most common frustration Sebastian hears from parishioners isn't about Rome, it's about their own pastor. He reflects honestly on why priests and bishops are often the biggest obstacle, and what to do about it. (25:00)
Synodality is coming whether you like it or not. Using the analogy of the early internet, Sebastian makes the case that synodal culture will eventually shape every debate in the Church, from liturgy to parish closings to outreach to young people. (38:30)
The Gen Z Catholic revival and why it's complicated. Hundreds of new converts entered the Church this Easter, making national news. Sebastian offers a nuanced take: it's real, it's notable, and it doesn't mean what you might think it means. (51:45)
You can't become synodal by just reading about it. Sebastian reflects on the personal and spiritual dimensions of synodality, and why you actually have to do it in community before it can transform your prayer life. (46:30)

ABOUT SEBASTIAN GOMES
Sebastian Gomes is a multimedia journalist and the director of podcast and video production at America Magazine, the Jesuit Review. He holds a BA and MA in theology and history from St. John's University in Minnesota.
His media career began in 2012 at Salt + Light Catholic Media in Toronto, where he produced award-winning documentaries, including The Francis Effect and The Francis Impact. In 2022, he wrote and directed People of God, America's first feature documentary on the state of parish life across the United States.
Sebastian led America's coverage of the 2023–24 Rome gatherings of the Synod on Synodality and the 2025 papal election of Pope Leo XIV. He oversees America's weekly podcast portfolio, including Jesuitical, Inside the Vatican, and The Spiritual Life with Father James Martin.
He is based in Kingston, Ontario, Canada, and contributes regularly to americamagazine.org.
MEMORABLE QUOTE
"Synodality is not a program. It's a culture. And resistance to synodality is also, in some ways, a resistance to the Holy Spirit — a lack of faith that God is actually present in our midst when we're together as a community." — Sebastian G...]]></content:encoded>
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IN THIS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE

"The message is not getting through, so maybe we should listen instead." Sebastian traces Pope Francis's pivotal shift from speaking to listening, and why it took 12 years of declining church membership to get there. (16:00)
Synodality is not a program, it's a culture. Sebastian explains why treating the synodal process like a church initiative is the most common misunderstanding people have, and what it actually means to change how an institution listens. (22:45)
What people finally said when they felt safe. From women's voices to LGBT experiences to stories of poverty and marginalization, Sebastian describes the dramatic moments inside the synod hall when people said what they'd never felt free to say before. (30:30)
The clergy problem. The most common frustration Sebastian hears from parishioners isn't about Rome, it's about their own pastor. He reflects honestly on why priests and bishops are often the biggest obstacle, and what to do about it. (25:00)
Synodality is coming whether you like it or not. Using the analogy of the early internet, Sebastian makes the case that synodal culture will eventually shape every debate in the Church, from liturgy to parish closings to outreach to young people. (38:30)
The Gen Z Catholic revival and why it's complicated. Hundreds of new converts entered the Church this Easter, making national news. Sebastian offers a nuanced take: it's real, it's notable, and it doesn't mean what you might think it means. (51:45)
You can't become synodal by just reading about it. Sebastian reflects on the personal and spiritual dimensions of synodality, and why you actually have to do it in community before it can transform your prayer life. (46:30)

ABOUT SEBASTIAN GOMES
Sebastian Gomes is a multimedia journalist and the director of podcast and video production at America Magazine, the Jesuit Review. He holds a BA and MA in theology and history from St. John's University in Minnesota.
His media career began in 2012 at Salt + Light Catholic Media in Toronto, where he produced award-winning documentaries, including The Francis Effect and The Francis Impact. In 2022, he wrote and directed People of God, America's first feature documentary on the state of parish life across the United States.
Sebastian led America's coverage of the 2023–24 Rome gatherings of the Synod on Synodality and the 2025 papal election of Pope Leo XIV. He oversees America's weekly podcast portfolio, including Jesuitical, Inside the Vatican, and The Spiritual Life with Father James Martin.
He is based in Kingston, Ontario, Canada, and contributes regularly to americamagazine.org.
MEMORABLE QUOTE
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What does it actually mean for a 2,000-year-old institution to learn how to listen? In this season premiere of Religion to Reality, multimedia journalist and America Magazine podcast director Sebastian Gomes joins hosts Dave Plisky and Fr. John Gribowich to unpack the Synod on Synodality, Pope Francis's sweeping effort to transform the Catholic Church into a culture of genuine listening. If you've ever wondered whether the Church is really changing, or felt frustrated that it isn't changing fast enough, this conversation will challenge and encourage you.
IN THIS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE

"The message is not getting through, so maybe we should listen instead." Sebastian traces Pope Francis's pivotal shift from speaking to listening, and why it took 12 years of declining church membership to get there. (16:00)
Synodality is not a program, it's a culture. Sebastian explains why treating the synodal process like a church initiative is the most common misunderstanding people have,]]></googleplay:description>
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	<title>Bonus: CARA Research with Fr. Tom Gaunt, SJ</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2026 09:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Plisky]]></dc:creator>
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	<description><![CDATA[QUICK SUMMARY
What does the data actually say about how Catholics live their faith today, and who counts as "active"? In this episode, Dave Plisky and Fr. John Gribowich sit down with Fr. Thomas Gaunt, SJ, Executive Director of CARA (the Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate) at Georgetown University, to dig into 60 years of Catholic research. They explore why inactive Catholics still fiercely identify as Catholic, what a year of volunteer service does to marriage stability and vocations, and why radical listening—not big campaigns—may be the most powerful tool the Church has. If you work in parish ministry, Catholic education, or simply want to understand the real state of the faith in America, this conversation will challenge and inspire you. 
IN THIS BONUS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE

Why 30% of self-identified Catholics never attend Mass, yet refuse to stop calling themselves Catholic
CARA's consistent finding that "care for the poor" ranks #2 in what Catholics say defines their faith
The surprising discovery that 60% of young adult Catholics (18–35) are involved in faith-based activities outside Mass
Why the divorce rate among Jesuit Volunteer Corps alumni was 2% vs. ~12% for comparable peers
How 10–11% of male Catholic volunteers later entered seminary or religious life
The massive demographic churn in the Catholic population, including that 1 in 4 U.S. Catholics is a foreign-born immigrant
Why parish revitalization campaigns need to first ask the parish itself to change
How radical welcome (e.g., parking lot ministers, easy websites, a real person answering the phone) does more than any grand strategy
What Pope Francis's "arm around the shoulder" posture means for pastoral leadership
Why listening without an agenda may be the most prophetic Christian witness in an age of polarization

ABOUT FR. THOMAS GAUNT, SJ
Fr. Thomas Gaunt is a Jesuit priest with 53 years in the Society of Jesus and 43 years of ordained ministry. He holds a doctoral degree in city planning from the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill — making him a proud Tar Heel. He spent his early priesthood as a pastor and Director of Planning for the Diocese of Charlotte, NC, before serving as Formation Director for the Jesuits of the East and Executive Secretary of the Jesuit national office. For the past 14 years, he has served as Executive Director of CARA — the Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate — located at Georgetown University in Washington, DC. His research specialties include priesthood and religious life, the impact of volunteer service on young adults, and international Catholic research.
RESOURCES MENTIONED

CARA — Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate
The CARA Report (Substack)
CARA Book: Faith and Spiritual Life of Young Adult Catholics
Catholic Volunteer Network
Jesuit Volunteer Corps
Nativity Parish / Rebuilt (Timonium, MD)
Vinea Research (Hans Plate)
Religion to Reality — DeSales Media Discipleship Study 

MEMORABLE QUOTE
"The most radical way to live the Christian life right now is to become a listener without an agenda."
— Fr. John Gribowich
EPISODE TIMESTAMPS
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What does the data actually say about how Catholics live their faith today, and who counts as "active"? In this episode, Dave Plisky and Fr. John Gribowich sit down with Fr. Thomas Gaunt, SJ, Executive Director of CARA (the Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate) at Georgetown University, to dig into 60 years of Catholic research. They explore why inactive Catholics still fiercely identify as Catholic, what a year of volunteer service does to marriage stability and vocations, and why radical listening—not big campaigns—may be the most powerful tool the Church has. If you work in parish ministry, Catholic education, or simply want to understand the real state of the faith in America, this conversation will challenge and inspire you. 
IN THIS BONUS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE

Why 30% of self-identified Catholics never attend Mass, yet refuse to stop calling themselves Catholic
CARA's consistent finding that "care for the poor" ranks #2 in what Catholics say defines their faith
The surprising discovery that 60% of young adult Catholics (18–35) are involved in faith-based activities outside Mass
Why the divorce rate among Jesuit Volunteer Corps alumni was 2% vs. ~12% for comparable peers
How 10–11% of male Catholic volunteers later entered seminary or religious life
The massive demographic churn in the Catholic population, including that 1 in 4 U.S. Catholics is a foreign-born immigrant
Why parish revitalization campaigns need to first ask the parish itself to change
How radical welcome (e.g., parking lot ministers, easy websites, a real person answering the phone) does more than any grand strategy
What Pope Francis's "arm around the shoulder" posture means for pastoral leadership
Why listening without an agenda may be the most prophetic Christian witness in an age of polarization

ABOUT FR. THOMAS GAUNT, SJ
Fr. Thomas Gaunt is a Jesuit priest with 53 years in the Society of Jesus and 43 years of ordained ministry. He holds a doctoral degree in city planning from the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill — making him a proud Tar Heel. He spent his early priesthood as a pastor and Director of Planning for the Diocese of Charlotte, NC, before serving as Formation Director for the Jesuits of the East and Executive Secretary of the Jesuit national office. For the past 14 years, he has served as Executive Director of CARA — the Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate — located at Georgetown University in Washington, DC. His research specialties include priesthood and religious life, the impact of volunteer service on young adults, and international Catholic research.
RESOURCES MENTIONED

CARA — Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate
The CARA Report (Substack)
CARA Book: Faith and Spiritual Life of Young Adult Catholics
Catholic Volunteer Network
Jesuit Volunteer Corps
Nativity Parish / Rebuilt (Timonium, MD)
Vinea Research (Hans Plate)
Religion to Reality — DeSales Media Discipleship Study 

MEMORABLE QUOTE
"The most radical way to live the Christian life right now is to become a listener without an agenda."
— Fr. John Gribowich
EPISODE TIMESTAMPS
Use these timestamps to jump to the moments that matter most to you:

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What does the data actually say about how Catholics live their faith today, and who counts as "active"? In this episode, Dave Plisky and Fr. John Gribowich sit down with Fr. Thomas Gaunt, SJ, Executive Director of CARA (the Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate) at Georgetown University, to dig into 60 years of Catholic research. They explore why inactive Catholics still fiercely identify as Catholic, what a year of volunteer service does to marriage stability and vocations, and why radical listening—not big campaigns—may be the most powerful tool the Church has. If you work in parish ministry, Catholic education, or simply want to understand the real state of the faith in America, this conversation will challenge and inspire you. 
IN THIS BONUS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE

Why 30% of self-identified Catholics never attend Mass, yet refuse to stop calling themselves Catholic
CARA's consistent finding that "care for the poor" ranks #2 in what Catholics say defines their faith
The surprising discovery that 60% of young adult Catholics (18–35) are involved in faith-based activities outside Mass
Why the divorce rate among Jesuit Volunteer Corps alumni was 2% vs. ~12% for comparable peers
How 10–11% of male Catholic volunteers later entered seminary or religious life
The massive demographic churn in the Catholic population, including that 1 in 4 U.S. Catholics is a foreign-born immigrant
Why parish revitalization campaigns need to first ask the parish itself to change
How radical welcome (e.g., parking lot ministers, easy websites, a real person answering the phone) does more than any grand strategy
What Pope Francis's "arm around the shoulder" posture means for pastoral leadership
Why listening without an agenda may be the most prophetic Christian witness in an age of polarization

ABOUT FR. THOMAS GAUNT, SJ
Fr. Thomas Gaunt is a Jesuit priest with 53 years in the Society of Jesus and 43 years of ordained ministry. He holds a doctoral degree in city planning from the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill — making him a proud Tar Heel. He spent his early priesthood as a pastor and Director of Planning for the Diocese of Charlotte, NC, before serving as Formation Director for the Jesuits of the East and Executive Secretary of the Jesuit national office. For the past 14 years, he has served as Executive Director of CARA — the Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate — located at Georgetown University in Washington, DC. His research specialties include priesthood and religious life, the impact of volunteer service on young adults, and international Catholic research.
RESOURCES MENTIONED

CARA — Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate
The CARA Report (Substack)
CARA Book: Faith and Spiritual Life of Young Adult Catholics
Catholic Volunteer Network
Jesuit Volunteer Corps
Nativity Parish / Rebuilt (Timonium, MD)
Vinea Research (Hans Plate)
Religion to Reality — DeSales Media Discipleship Study 

MEMORABLE QUOTE
"The most radical way to live the Christian life right now is to become a listener without an agenda."
— Fr. John Gribowich
EPISODE TIMESTAMPS
Use these timestamps to jump to the moments that matter most to you:

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What does the data actually say about how Catholics live their faith today, and who counts as "active"? In this episode, Dave Plisky and Fr. John Gribowich sit down with Fr. Thomas Gaunt, SJ, Executive Director of CARA (the Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate) at Georgetown University, to dig into 60 years of Catholic research. They explore why inactive Catholics still fiercely identify as Catholic, what a year of volunteer service does to marriage stability and vocations, and why radical listening—not big campaigns—may be the most powerful tool the Church has. If you work in parish ministry, Catholic education, or simply want to understand the real state of the faith in America, this conversation will challenge and inspire you. 
IN THIS BONUS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE

Why 30% of self-identified Catholics never attend Mass, yet refuse to stop calling themselves Catholic
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	<title>Bonus: The Catholic Project with Stephen White</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2026 09:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Plisky]]></dc:creator>
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	<description><![CDATA[QUICK SUMMARY 
What does hard data reveal about the state of Catholic life in America—and what does it mean for the future of the Church? In this bonus episode, Dave Plisky and Fr. John Gribowich sit down with Stephen White, Executive Director of The Catholic Project at The Catholic University of America, for a candid and wide-ranging conversation. Stephen draws on the landmark 2022 National Study of Catholic Priests—the largest priest survey in half a century—to explore trust, identity, community, and what it really takes to renew the Church from within.
From the tension between clericalism and lay vocation, to the striking generational shifts among young priests, to the question of how genuine renewal actually happens in Church history, this episode offers both serious analysis and hopeful insight. Whether you’re a priest, a committed lay Catholic, or simply trying to understand where the Church is headed, this conversation will challenge and encourage you. 
ABOUT STEPHEN WHITE 
Stephen White is the Executive Director of The Catholic Project at The Catholic University of America in Washington, DC. Founded in 2019 in response to the clerical abuse crisis, The Catholic Project works to foster collaboration and co-responsibility between clergy and laity. Stephen led the production of the acclaimed documentary podcast Crisis: Clergy Abuse in the Catholic Church and oversaw the 2022 National Study of Catholic Priests. His background is in Catholic social teaching and philosophy, and he writes frequently on matters of faith, culture, and Church life.
IN THIS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE
1. The Catholic Project and the Crisis Podcast

Founded in 2019 at Catholic University of America in response to the McCarrick revelations and Pennsylvania Grand Jury Report
The Crisis podcast was produced during COVID, featuring deeply reported audio documentary-style episodes
Goal: face the Church’s failures honestly while remaining constructive and rooted in love for the Church
Fr. John shares that the podcast was part of his own healing journey as a survivor of clerical sexual abuse

2. The 2022 National Study of Catholic Priests

The largest survey of priests in the United States in over 50 years
Key findings include:

Younger priests (ordained post-2000) describe themselves as significantly more theologically orthodox than older cohorts
Younger priests are more likely to identify as politically moderate — cutting against simple “conservative priest” narratives
The youngest cohort is the most racially and ethnically diverse
There has been a dramatic collapse in priests identifying as liberal or progressive
Younger priests experience more isolation: many are sole pastor of a parish from day one of ordination


A follow-up longitudinal study is currently in development for spring 2025

3. Clericalism, Authority, and Church Renewal

Clericalism is not only a top-down problem — bottom-up clericalism (laity expecting clergy to do everything) is widespread in the US
Pope Francis has simultaneously called out clericalism and warned against “clericalizing the laity”
All authority carries the potential for abuse; the response is vigilance, formation, and accountability — not the elimination of hierarchy
The Church’s vertical (hierarchical) and horizontal (communal) dimensions must work together

4. How Genuine Church Renewal Happens

Historically, renewal almost never comes from the top down institutionally
It begins with one person or small group responding radically to the Gospel (e.g....]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[QUICK SUMMARY 
What does hard data reveal about the state of Catholic life in America—and what does it mean for the future of the Church? In this bonus episode, Dave Plisky and Fr. John Gribowich sit down with Stephen White, Executive Director of The Cat]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[QUICK SUMMARY 
What does hard data reveal about the state of Catholic life in America—and what does it mean for the future of the Church? In this bonus episode, Dave Plisky and Fr. John Gribowich sit down with Stephen White, Executive Director of The Catholic Project at The Catholic University of America, for a candid and wide-ranging conversation. Stephen draws on the landmark 2022 National Study of Catholic Priests—the largest priest survey in half a century—to explore trust, identity, community, and what it really takes to renew the Church from within.
From the tension between clericalism and lay vocation, to the striking generational shifts among young priests, to the question of how genuine renewal actually happens in Church history, this episode offers both serious analysis and hopeful insight. Whether you’re a priest, a committed lay Catholic, or simply trying to understand where the Church is headed, this conversation will challenge and encourage you. 
ABOUT STEPHEN WHITE 
Stephen White is the Executive Director of The Catholic Project at The Catholic University of America in Washington, DC. Founded in 2019 in response to the clerical abuse crisis, The Catholic Project works to foster collaboration and co-responsibility between clergy and laity. Stephen led the production of the acclaimed documentary podcast Crisis: Clergy Abuse in the Catholic Church and oversaw the 2022 National Study of Catholic Priests. His background is in Catholic social teaching and philosophy, and he writes frequently on matters of faith, culture, and Church life.
IN THIS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE
1. The Catholic Project and the Crisis Podcast

Founded in 2019 at Catholic University of America in response to the McCarrick revelations and Pennsylvania Grand Jury Report
The Crisis podcast was produced during COVID, featuring deeply reported audio documentary-style episodes
Goal: face the Church’s failures honestly while remaining constructive and rooted in love for the Church
Fr. John shares that the podcast was part of his own healing journey as a survivor of clerical sexual abuse

2. The 2022 National Study of Catholic Priests

The largest survey of priests in the United States in over 50 years
Key findings include:

Younger priests (ordained post-2000) describe themselves as significantly more theologically orthodox than older cohorts
Younger priests are more likely to identify as politically moderate — cutting against simple “conservative priest” narratives
The youngest cohort is the most racially and ethnically diverse
There has been a dramatic collapse in priests identifying as liberal or progressive
Younger priests experience more isolation: many are sole pastor of a parish from day one of ordination


A follow-up longitudinal study is currently in development for spring 2025

3. Clericalism, Authority, and Church Renewal

Clericalism is not only a top-down problem — bottom-up clericalism (laity expecting clergy to do everything) is widespread in the US
Pope Francis has simultaneously called out clericalism and warned against “clericalizing the laity”
All authority carries the potential for abuse; the response is vigilance, formation, and accountability — not the elimination of hierarchy
The Church’s vertical (hierarchical) and horizontal (communal) dimensions must work together

4. How Genuine Church Renewal Happens

Historically, renewal almost never comes from the top down institutionally
It begins with one person or small group responding radically to the Gospel (e.g....]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[QUICK SUMMARY 
What does hard data reveal about the state of Catholic life in America—and what does it mean for the future of the Church? In this bonus episode, Dave Plisky and Fr. John Gribowich sit down with Stephen White, Executive Director of The Catholic Project at The Catholic University of America, for a candid and wide-ranging conversation. Stephen draws on the landmark 2022 National Study of Catholic Priests—the largest priest survey in half a century—to explore trust, identity, community, and what it really takes to renew the Church from within.
From the tension between clericalism and lay vocation, to the striking generational shifts among young priests, to the question of how genuine renewal actually happens in Church history, this episode offers both serious analysis and hopeful insight. Whether you’re a priest, a committed lay Catholic, or simply trying to understand where the Church is headed, this conversation will challenge and encourage you. 
ABOUT STEPHEN WHITE 
Stephen White is the Executive Director of The Catholic Project at The Catholic University of America in Washington, DC. Founded in 2019 in response to the clerical abuse crisis, The Catholic Project works to foster collaboration and co-responsibility between clergy and laity. Stephen led the production of the acclaimed documentary podcast Crisis: Clergy Abuse in the Catholic Church and oversaw the 2022 National Study of Catholic Priests. His background is in Catholic social teaching and philosophy, and he writes frequently on matters of faith, culture, and Church life.
IN THIS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE
1. The Catholic Project and the Crisis Podcast

Founded in 2019 at Catholic University of America in response to the McCarrick revelations and Pennsylvania Grand Jury Report
The Crisis podcast was produced during COVID, featuring deeply reported audio documentary-style episodes
Goal: face the Church’s failures honestly while remaining constructive and rooted in love for the Church
Fr. John shares that the podcast was part of his own healing journey as a survivor of clerical sexual abuse

2. The 2022 National Study of Catholic Priests

The largest survey of priests in the United States in over 50 years
Key findings include:

Younger priests (ordained post-2000) describe themselves as significantly more theologically orthodox than older cohorts
Younger priests are more likely to identify as politically moderate — cutting against simple “conservative priest” narratives
The youngest cohort is the most racially and ethnically diverse
There has been a dramatic collapse in priests identifying as liberal or progressive
Younger priests experience more isolation: many are sole pastor of a parish from day one of ordination


A follow-up longitudinal study is currently in development for spring 2025

3. Clericalism, Authority, and Church Renewal

Clericalism is not only a top-down problem — bottom-up clericalism (laity expecting clergy to do everything) is widespread in the US
Pope Francis has simultaneously called out clericalism and warned against “clericalizing the laity”
All authority carries the potential for abuse; the response is vigilance, formation, and accountability — not the elimination of hierarchy
The Church’s vertical (hierarchical) and horizontal (communal) dimensions must work together

4. How Genuine Church Renewal Happens

Historically, renewal almost never comes from the top down institutionally
It begins with one person or small group responding radically to the Gospel (e.g....]]></itunes:summary>
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What does hard data reveal about the state of Catholic life in America—and what does it mean for the future of the Church? In this bonus episode, Dave Plisky and Fr. John Gribowich sit down with Stephen White, Executive Director of The Catholic Project at The Catholic University of America, for a candid and wide-ranging conversation. Stephen draws on the landmark 2022 National Study of Catholic Priests—the largest priest survey in half a century—to explore trust, identity, community, and what it really takes to renew the Church from within.
From the tension between clericalism and lay vocation, to the striking generational shifts among young priests, to the question of how genuine renewal actually happens in Church history, this episode offers both serious analysis and hopeful insight. Whether you’re a priest, a committed lay Catholic, or simply trying to understand where the Church is headed, this conversation will challenge and encourage you. 
ABOUT STEPHEN WHITE 
Ste]]></googleplay:description>
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	<title>Season 2 Teaser: Sacred Listening Across Faith Traditions</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2026 09:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Plisky]]></dc:creator>
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	<description><![CDATA[Season 2 of Religion to Reality is on the horizon—and it begins with a simple but urgent question: what does it mean to truly listen?
In a world marked by noise, division, and constant distraction, Dave Plisky and Fr. John Gribowich return to the heart of the podcast’s mission: living an integrated life where faith isn’t separated from the rest of who we are. Reflecting on Season 1, they explore how one theme kept surfacing again and again—listening as a sacred act.
This upcoming season builds on that foundation, asking:
How do we become bridge builders with no agenda? How do we recognize God already at work in the person in front of us?
Inspired by the spirit of Vatican II and the Church’s call to encounter and dialogue, Season 2 features conversations with voices across Christian communities and other faith traditions—not to debate or convert, but to listen.
New episodes begin June 1, with weekly releases every Monday.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Season 2 of Religion to Reality is on the horizon—and it begins with a simple but urgent question: what does it mean to truly listen?
In a world marked by noise, division, and constant distraction, Dave Plisky and Fr. John Gribowich return to the heart o]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[Season 2 of Religion to Reality is on the horizon—and it begins with a simple but urgent question: what does it mean to truly listen?
In a world marked by noise, division, and constant distraction, Dave Plisky and Fr. John Gribowich return to the heart of the podcast’s mission: living an integrated life where faith isn’t separated from the rest of who we are. Reflecting on Season 1, they explore how one theme kept surfacing again and again—listening as a sacred act.
This upcoming season builds on that foundation, asking:
How do we become bridge builders with no agenda? How do we recognize God already at work in the person in front of us?
Inspired by the spirit of Vatican II and the Church’s call to encounter and dialogue, Season 2 features conversations with voices across Christian communities and other faith traditions—not to debate or convert, but to listen.
New episodes begin June 1, with weekly releases every Monday.]]></content:encoded>
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This upcoming season builds on that foundation, asking:
How do we become bridge builders with no agenda? How do we recognize God already at work in the person in front of us?
Inspired by the spirit of Vatican II and the Church’s call to encounter and dialogue, Season 2 features conversations with voices across Christian communities and other faith traditions—not to debate or convert, but to listen.
New episodes begin June 1, with weekly releases every Monday.]]></itunes:summary>
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In a world marked by noise, division, and constant distraction, Dave Plisky and Fr. John Gribowich return to the heart of the podcast’s mission: living an integrated life where faith isn’t separated from the rest of who we are. Reflecting on Season 1, they explore how one theme kept surfacing again and again—listening as a sacred act.
This upcoming season builds on that foundation, asking:
How do we become bridge builders with no agenda? How do we recognize God already at work in the person in front of us?
Inspired by the spirit of Vatican II and the Church’s call to encounter and dialogue, Season 2 features conversations with voices across Christian communities and other faith traditions—not to debate or convert, but to listen.
New episodes begin June 1, with weekly releases every Monday.]]></googleplay:description>
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	<title>Bonus: The Needs of the Church with Fr. Joseph Gibino</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2026 09:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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	<description><![CDATA[QUICK SUMMARY
What does it really mean for the Church to walk together — and what do Catholics in Brooklyn actually say they need? Fr. Joseph Gibino, pastor, vicar, deacon director, and co-director of Brooklyn's Synod on Synodality, pulls back the curtain on what the faithful are really asking for, and why the answer might surprise you. From family prayer to sacramental living to the radical act of listening without an agenda, this conversation is a hopeful, grounded look at where the Church is headed.
IN THIS BONUS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE

"The synod was never about divisive political issues — it was about how we journey together as the Body of Christ." (00:05:30)
The three things Catholics in Brooklyn said they needed most — and how they mirror what the English-speaking world was saying (00:02:30)
Why Fr. Joe says "listen" and "silent" share the same letters — and what that means for the Church (00:11:00)
How family catechesis could be the key to reinvigorating the institutional Church (00:16:00)
The simple prayer Fr. Joe says every morning before his feet hit the floor (00:37:30)
Why today's teenagers love service — and what that tells us about where the Spirit is moving (00:44:30)
Fr. John Gribowich on why we're in a "liminal" moment in Church history — and Fr. Joe's stunning response (00:57:00)
"The Eucharist is not a reward for good behavior." What it really is — and why that changes everything (00:59:30)

ABOUT FR. JOE GIBINO
Fr. Joseph Gibino is pastor of St. Charles Borromeo Parish in Brooklyn Heights and administrator of St. James Cathedral. He serves the Diocese of Brooklyn as Vicar for Evangelization and Catechesis, Director of the Permanent Diaconate Program, and co-directed the Diocese's Synod on Synodality alongside Sister Mary Ann Seton LoPiccolo. He is also adjunct faculty at St. Joseph's Seminary and — by his own description — the diocese's chief "party planner" and wildfire put-outer.
RESOURCES MENTIONED 

Synod on Synodality – Vatican Overview
Diocese of Brooklyn
Jubilee of Hope 2025 – Vatican
Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe — referenced in the context of Latino Catholic communities shaping Brooklyn's pastoral identity
Ignatian Examen (Nightly Examination of Conscience) — recommended by Fr. Joe as a nightly practice
Neocatechumenal Way / ecclesial movements are mentioned as models for family faith formation
Knights of Columbus — highlighted for their service work during the pandemic and with immigrant communities in Brooklyn

Start Praying as a Family — Where to Begin
Fr. Joe offers this simple on-ramp for families who feel disconnected from faith at home:

Start with gratitude, not religion: "What are we thankful for today?"
Try an Advent giving jar — brainstorm 30 simple acts of generosity as a family before December 1st
Don't underestimate small acts: donating a meal's worth of money to a food bank, buying tube socks for a homeless shelter
Evaluate at Christmas: How did we do?

The Three Things Brooklyn Catholics Said They Need

Better adult faith formation — people don't feel equipped to share their faith
More support for youth and young adult faith form...]]></description>
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What does it really mean for the Church to walk together — and what do Catholics in Brooklyn actually say they need? Fr. Joseph Gibino, pastor, vicar, deacon director, and co-director of Brooklyns Synod on Synodality, pulls back the curtain]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[QUICK SUMMARY
What does it really mean for the Church to walk together — and what do Catholics in Brooklyn actually say they need? Fr. Joseph Gibino, pastor, vicar, deacon director, and co-director of Brooklyn's Synod on Synodality, pulls back the curtain on what the faithful are really asking for, and why the answer might surprise you. From family prayer to sacramental living to the radical act of listening without an agenda, this conversation is a hopeful, grounded look at where the Church is headed.
IN THIS BONUS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE

"The synod was never about divisive political issues — it was about how we journey together as the Body of Christ." (00:05:30)
The three things Catholics in Brooklyn said they needed most — and how they mirror what the English-speaking world was saying (00:02:30)
Why Fr. Joe says "listen" and "silent" share the same letters — and what that means for the Church (00:11:00)
How family catechesis could be the key to reinvigorating the institutional Church (00:16:00)
The simple prayer Fr. Joe says every morning before his feet hit the floor (00:37:30)
Why today's teenagers love service — and what that tells us about where the Spirit is moving (00:44:30)
Fr. John Gribowich on why we're in a "liminal" moment in Church history — and Fr. Joe's stunning response (00:57:00)
"The Eucharist is not a reward for good behavior." What it really is — and why that changes everything (00:59:30)

ABOUT FR. JOE GIBINO
Fr. Joseph Gibino is pastor of St. Charles Borromeo Parish in Brooklyn Heights and administrator of St. James Cathedral. He serves the Diocese of Brooklyn as Vicar for Evangelization and Catechesis, Director of the Permanent Diaconate Program, and co-directed the Diocese's Synod on Synodality alongside Sister Mary Ann Seton LoPiccolo. He is also adjunct faculty at St. Joseph's Seminary and — by his own description — the diocese's chief "party planner" and wildfire put-outer.
RESOURCES MENTIONED 

Synod on Synodality – Vatican Overview
Diocese of Brooklyn
Jubilee of Hope 2025 – Vatican
Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe — referenced in the context of Latino Catholic communities shaping Brooklyn's pastoral identity
Ignatian Examen (Nightly Examination of Conscience) — recommended by Fr. Joe as a nightly practice
Neocatechumenal Way / ecclesial movements are mentioned as models for family faith formation
Knights of Columbus — highlighted for their service work during the pandemic and with immigrant communities in Brooklyn

Start Praying as a Family — Where to Begin
Fr. Joe offers this simple on-ramp for families who feel disconnected from faith at home:

Start with gratitude, not religion: "What are we thankful for today?"
Try an Advent giving jar — brainstorm 30 simple acts of generosity as a family before December 1st
Don't underestimate small acts: donating a meal's worth of money to a food bank, buying tube socks for a homeless shelter
Evaluate at Christmas: How did we do?

The Three Things Brooklyn Catholics Said They Need

Better adult faith formation — people don't feel equipped to share their faith
More support for youth and young adult faith form...]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[QUICK SUMMARY
What does it really mean for the Church to walk together — and what do Catholics in Brooklyn actually say they need? Fr. Joseph Gibino, pastor, vicar, deacon director, and co-director of Brooklyn's Synod on Synodality, pulls back the curtain on what the faithful are really asking for, and why the answer might surprise you. From family prayer to sacramental living to the radical act of listening without an agenda, this conversation is a hopeful, grounded look at where the Church is headed.
IN THIS BONUS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE

"The synod was never about divisive political issues — it was about how we journey together as the Body of Christ." (00:05:30)
The three things Catholics in Brooklyn said they needed most — and how they mirror what the English-speaking world was saying (00:02:30)
Why Fr. Joe says "listen" and "silent" share the same letters — and what that means for the Church (00:11:00)
How family catechesis could be the key to reinvigorating the institutional Church (00:16:00)
The simple prayer Fr. Joe says every morning before his feet hit the floor (00:37:30)
Why today's teenagers love service — and what that tells us about where the Spirit is moving (00:44:30)
Fr. John Gribowich on why we're in a "liminal" moment in Church history — and Fr. Joe's stunning response (00:57:00)
"The Eucharist is not a reward for good behavior." What it really is — and why that changes everything (00:59:30)

ABOUT FR. JOE GIBINO
Fr. Joseph Gibino is pastor of St. Charles Borromeo Parish in Brooklyn Heights and administrator of St. James Cathedral. He serves the Diocese of Brooklyn as Vicar for Evangelization and Catechesis, Director of the Permanent Diaconate Program, and co-directed the Diocese's Synod on Synodality alongside Sister Mary Ann Seton LoPiccolo. He is also adjunct faculty at St. Joseph's Seminary and — by his own description — the diocese's chief "party planner" and wildfire put-outer.
RESOURCES MENTIONED 

Synod on Synodality – Vatican Overview
Diocese of Brooklyn
Jubilee of Hope 2025 – Vatican
Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe — referenced in the context of Latino Catholic communities shaping Brooklyn's pastoral identity
Ignatian Examen (Nightly Examination of Conscience) — recommended by Fr. Joe as a nightly practice
Neocatechumenal Way / ecclesial movements are mentioned as models for family faith formation
Knights of Columbus — highlighted for their service work during the pandemic and with immigrant communities in Brooklyn

Start Praying as a Family — Where to Begin
Fr. Joe offers this simple on-ramp for families who feel disconnected from faith at home:

Start with gratitude, not religion: "What are we thankful for today?"
Try an Advent giving jar — brainstorm 30 simple acts of generosity as a family before December 1st
Don't underestimate small acts: donating a meal's worth of money to a food bank, buying tube socks for a homeless shelter
Evaluate at Christmas: How did we do?

The Three Things Brooklyn Catholics Said They Need

Better adult faith formation — people don't feel equipped to share their faith
More support for youth and young adult faith form...]]></itunes:summary>
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What does it really mean for the Church to walk together — and what do Catholics in Brooklyn actually say they need? Fr. Joseph Gibino, pastor, vicar, deacon director, and co-director of Brooklyn's Synod on Synodality, pulls back the curtain on what the faithful are really asking for, and why the answer might surprise you. From family prayer to sacramental living to the radical act of listening without an agenda, this conversation is a hopeful, grounded look at where the Church is headed.
IN THIS BONUS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE

"The synod was never about divisive political issues — it was about how we journey together as the Body of Christ." (00:05:30)
The three things Catholics in Brooklyn said they needed most — and how they mirror what the English-speaking world was saying (00:02:30)
Why Fr. Joe says "listen" and "silent" share the same letters — and what that means for the Church (00:11:00)
How family catechesis could be the key to reinvigorating the institutional Church ]]></googleplay:description>
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	<title>Listening, Trust, and the Future of Faith with Josh Packard</title>
	<link>https://religiontoreality.org/podcast/listening-trust-and-the-future-of-faith-with-josh-packard/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2026 09:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Plisky]]></dc:creator>
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	<description><![CDATA[QUICK SUMMARY:
What if the biggest obstacle to ministry isn't a lack of resources, programs, or content — but a missing system for actually knowing the people in front of you?
In this bonus episode, Dave Plisky and Fr. John Gribowich sit down with Josh Packard, sociologist of religion and co-founder of Future of Faith, for a wide-ranging conversation about one of the most urgent challenges facing the Church today: how to do genuine relational ministry at scale.
Drawing on years of research data and his experience at Spring Tide Research Institute and NCEA, Josh explains why trust in institutions is collapsing — and why the only antidote is time spent in a real, consistent relationship. He introduces practical tools anyone can download free at futureoffaith.org, shares why Gen Z isn't "leaving the church" (their parents already did), and makes a compelling case for why AI will only make human connection more, not less, essential.
If you work in ministry, Catholic education, or any field that depends on reaching young people, this episode is required listening.
ABOUT JOSH PACKARD
Josh Packard is a sociologist of religion and a former professor at the University of Northern Colorado, where he taught applied sociology. He was the founding executive director of Spring Tide Research Institute, one of the most respected sources of data on youth and faith in the United States. He is now co-founder of Future of Faith, a nonprofit dedicated to helping ministry leaders build scalable relational tools grounded in a theology of sacred listening.
 
IN THIS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE:
1. Trust has collapsed — and that changes everything2. Relational ministry needs a system, not just good intentions3. The Text to Connect tool4. Belonging before believing — and time before truth5. Gen Z didn't leave — they were never there6. The Church's strongest offering may be its most overlooked7. AI will deepen — not solve — the relational challenge 

0:00 — Introduction: Who is Josh Packard, and what is Future of Faith?
2:15 — The Core Problem: How do you do relational ministry at scale when people only trust what's right in front of them?
5:30 — The Free Tools: What the Future of Faith listening tools are and how to download them at futureoffaith.org.
10:30 — Text to Connect: A step-by-step walkthrough of the emoji-based check-in tool — and how a color-coded Google Sheet can transform youth ministry.
14:00 — The Youth Minister's Dilemma: A real-world portrait of a minister running on voice memos, Apple Notes, and reactive attention.
20:00 — Sacred Listening vs. Ministry with an Agenda:  John challenges Josh: can you really listen without an end in mind?
23:30 — Time, Trust, Truth: The framework that flips the church's traditional approach: belonging before believing.
.31:00 — Tarot, Crystals, and the Spiritual-but-not-Religious: Why young people are finding spiritual systems on TikTok that the Church hasn't figured out how to offer.
39:00 — Young People Aren't Leaving the Church: Josh pushes back: their parents left. The generation the Church is trying to reach was never there.
42:00 — The Church Is Answering Questions Nobody Is Asking:  John on the disconnect between pulpit priorities and what young people actually need.
57:00 — AI and the Future of Trust: Why artificial intelligence will push the locus of trust lower — toward one-on-one relationships — and what that means for the Church.

 
MEMORABLE QUOTES 

For sharing on social media or in...]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[QUICK SUMMARY:
What if the biggest obstacle to ministry isnt a lack of resources, programs, or content — but a missing system for actually knowing the people in front of you?
In this bonus episode, Dave Plisky and Fr. John Gribowich sit down with Josh Pa]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[QUICK SUMMARY:
What if the biggest obstacle to ministry isn't a lack of resources, programs, or content — but a missing system for actually knowing the people in front of you?
In this bonus episode, Dave Plisky and Fr. John Gribowich sit down with Josh Packard, sociologist of religion and co-founder of Future of Faith, for a wide-ranging conversation about one of the most urgent challenges facing the Church today: how to do genuine relational ministry at scale.
Drawing on years of research data and his experience at Spring Tide Research Institute and NCEA, Josh explains why trust in institutions is collapsing — and why the only antidote is time spent in a real, consistent relationship. He introduces practical tools anyone can download free at futureoffaith.org, shares why Gen Z isn't "leaving the church" (their parents already did), and makes a compelling case for why AI will only make human connection more, not less, essential.
If you work in ministry, Catholic education, or any field that depends on reaching young people, this episode is required listening.
ABOUT JOSH PACKARD
Josh Packard is a sociologist of religion and a former professor at the University of Northern Colorado, where he taught applied sociology. He was the founding executive director of Spring Tide Research Institute, one of the most respected sources of data on youth and faith in the United States. He is now co-founder of Future of Faith, a nonprofit dedicated to helping ministry leaders build scalable relational tools grounded in a theology of sacred listening.
 
IN THIS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE:
1. Trust has collapsed — and that changes everything2. Relational ministry needs a system, not just good intentions3. The Text to Connect tool4. Belonging before believing — and time before truth5. Gen Z didn't leave — they were never there6. The Church's strongest offering may be its most overlooked7. AI will deepen — not solve — the relational challenge 

0:00 — Introduction: Who is Josh Packard, and what is Future of Faith?
2:15 — The Core Problem: How do you do relational ministry at scale when people only trust what's right in front of them?
5:30 — The Free Tools: What the Future of Faith listening tools are and how to download them at futureoffaith.org.
10:30 — Text to Connect: A step-by-step walkthrough of the emoji-based check-in tool — and how a color-coded Google Sheet can transform youth ministry.
14:00 — The Youth Minister's Dilemma: A real-world portrait of a minister running on voice memos, Apple Notes, and reactive attention.
20:00 — Sacred Listening vs. Ministry with an Agenda:  John challenges Josh: can you really listen without an end in mind?
23:30 — Time, Trust, Truth: The framework that flips the church's traditional approach: belonging before believing.
.31:00 — Tarot, Crystals, and the Spiritual-but-not-Religious: Why young people are finding spiritual systems on TikTok that the Church hasn't figured out how to offer.
39:00 — Young People Aren't Leaving the Church: Josh pushes back: their parents left. The generation the Church is trying to reach was never there.
42:00 — The Church Is Answering Questions Nobody Is Asking:  John on the disconnect between pulpit priorities and what young people actually need.
57:00 — AI and the Future of Trust: Why artificial intelligence will push the locus of trust lower — toward one-on-one relationships — and what that means for the Church.

 
MEMORABLE QUOTES 

For sharing on social media or in...]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[QUICK SUMMARY:
What if the biggest obstacle to ministry isn't a lack of resources, programs, or content — but a missing system for actually knowing the people in front of you?
In this bonus episode, Dave Plisky and Fr. John Gribowich sit down with Josh Packard, sociologist of religion and co-founder of Future of Faith, for a wide-ranging conversation about one of the most urgent challenges facing the Church today: how to do genuine relational ministry at scale.
Drawing on years of research data and his experience at Spring Tide Research Institute and NCEA, Josh explains why trust in institutions is collapsing — and why the only antidote is time spent in a real, consistent relationship. He introduces practical tools anyone can download free at futureoffaith.org, shares why Gen Z isn't "leaving the church" (their parents already did), and makes a compelling case for why AI will only make human connection more, not less, essential.
If you work in ministry, Catholic education, or any field that depends on reaching young people, this episode is required listening.
ABOUT JOSH PACKARD
Josh Packard is a sociologist of religion and a former professor at the University of Northern Colorado, where he taught applied sociology. He was the founding executive director of Spring Tide Research Institute, one of the most respected sources of data on youth and faith in the United States. He is now co-founder of Future of Faith, a nonprofit dedicated to helping ministry leaders build scalable relational tools grounded in a theology of sacred listening.
 
IN THIS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE:
1. Trust has collapsed — and that changes everything2. Relational ministry needs a system, not just good intentions3. The Text to Connect tool4. Belonging before believing — and time before truth5. Gen Z didn't leave — they were never there6. The Church's strongest offering may be its most overlooked7. AI will deepen — not solve — the relational challenge 

0:00 — Introduction: Who is Josh Packard, and what is Future of Faith?
2:15 — The Core Problem: How do you do relational ministry at scale when people only trust what's right in front of them?
5:30 — The Free Tools: What the Future of Faith listening tools are and how to download them at futureoffaith.org.
10:30 — Text to Connect: A step-by-step walkthrough of the emoji-based check-in tool — and how a color-coded Google Sheet can transform youth ministry.
14:00 — The Youth Minister's Dilemma: A real-world portrait of a minister running on voice memos, Apple Notes, and reactive attention.
20:00 — Sacred Listening vs. Ministry with an Agenda:  John challenges Josh: can you really listen without an end in mind?
23:30 — Time, Trust, Truth: The framework that flips the church's traditional approach: belonging before believing.
.31:00 — Tarot, Crystals, and the Spiritual-but-not-Religious: Why young people are finding spiritual systems on TikTok that the Church hasn't figured out how to offer.
39:00 — Young People Aren't Leaving the Church: Josh pushes back: their parents left. The generation the Church is trying to reach was never there.
42:00 — The Church Is Answering Questions Nobody Is Asking:  John on the disconnect between pulpit priorities and what young people actually need.
57:00 — AI and the Future of Trust: Why artificial intelligence will push the locus of trust lower — toward one-on-one relationships — and what that means for the Church.

 
MEMORABLE QUOTES 

For sharing on social media or in...]]></itunes:summary>
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What if the biggest obstacle to ministry isn't a lack of resources, programs, or content — but a missing system for actually knowing the people in front of you?
In this bonus episode, Dave Plisky and Fr. John Gribowich sit down with Josh Packard, sociologist of religion and co-founder of Future of Faith, for a wide-ranging conversation about one of the most urgent challenges facing the Church today: how to do genuine relational ministry at scale.
Drawing on years of research data and his experience at Spring Tide Research Institute and NCEA, Josh explains why trust in institutions is collapsing — and why the only antidote is time spent in a real, consistent relationship. He introduces practical tools anyone can download free at futureoffaith.org, shares why Gen Z isn't "leaving the church" (their parents already did), and makes a compelling case for why AI will only make human connection more, not less, essential.
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	<title>Bonus: Spiritual Abuse with Paul Fahey</title>
	<link>https://religiontoreality.org/podcast/bonus-spiritual-abuse-with-paul-fahey/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2026 09:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Plisky]]></dc:creator>
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What happens when the Church you love has also hurt you? For many Catholics, there's no safe space to hold both truths at once, until now. In this powerful bonus episode, hosts Dave Plisky and Fr. John Gribowich talk with Paul Fahey, licensed counselor, catechist, and host of the Third Space Podcast, to unpack what spiritual abuse really looks like, why so many Catholics unknowingly surrender their freedom, and how genuine listening may be the most prophetic act the Church can offer right now. 
IN THIS BONUS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE

Spiritual abuse — coercive or controlling behavior in a religious context — is far more widespread than most Catholics realize.
Claiming something is a mortal sin for another person, or presenting personal opinion as Church teaching, are clear markers of spiritual coercion.
The desire to surrender freedom to rules or authority is deeply human and easily exploited. Mature faith requires owning one's conscience.
Using "the devil" as a scapegoat can itself become a mechanism of harm. True discernment leads to solidarity, not deflection.
Success in ministry is not measured by numbers, but by whether someone experiences encounter, gains language for their experience, and knows they are not alone.
The most prophetic gift Christians can offer today may simply be listening — without an agenda.

[00:00] — Introducing Paul Fahey Paul shares his background: eight years as a parish Director of Religious Education, husband and father of five, and now a licensed counselor in Michigan.
[01:30] — From Pope Francis Generation to The Third Space Paul co-founded the Pope Francis Generation Podcast with Dominic Dusa of Smart Catholics after unexpectedly leaving his parish job. As his work with abuse survivors deepened, he began noticing gaps between Pope Francis' teaching on human dignity and his governing decisions — prompting a full rebrand toward a podcast centered on Christ in the vulnerable and marginalized.
[06:00] — What Is "The Third Space"? Inspired by a conversation with mentor Monica Pope, Paul identified a void: survivors of Church harm are met either with Catholic defensiveness or with "why do you even stay?" The Third Space holds both — a place for people who want congruence between their experience of harm and their experience of good in the Church.
[07:45] — Who Is This Podcast For? Survivors of clerical sexual abuse, yes — but also the much broader category of spiritual abuse. Paul cites research from Dr. Lisa Oakley (UK) suggesting roughly 75% of Christians have experienced coercion or manipulation in their church communities. His audience is anyone harmed by the Church, and anyone with ears to hear the Gospel as told by those who've been hurt.
[10:00] — Why Podcasting? More than convenience — podcasting allows for live dialogue and spontaneous vulnerability that writing simply can't capture. Paul describes it as closer to leading RCIA or a small group than publishing an article.
[13:00] — Is the Church Doing Podcasting Well? A candid take on the lay-driven nature of Catholic media — and the troubling amount of spiritually harmful content circulating under the Catholic label. Bad Catholic content isn't poorly produced; it's content that misrepresents God, misrepresents the Church's teaching, and coerces consciences.
[16:30] — Defining Spiritual Abuse Paul walks through the core definition: a pattern of coercive or controlling behavior in a religious context, using spiritual authority to control others. Key markers include claiming something is a mortal sin for another person, presenting personal opinion as Church teaching, or using religious fear to manipulate beha...]]></description>
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What happens when the Church you love has also hurt you? For many Catholics, there's no safe space to hold both truths at once, until now. In this powerful bonus episode, hosts Dave Plisky and Fr. John Gribowich talk with Paul Fahey, licensed counselor, catechist, and host of the Third Space Podcast, to unpack what spiritual abuse really looks like, why so many Catholics unknowingly surrender their freedom, and how genuine listening may be the most prophetic act the Church can offer right now. 
IN THIS BONUS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE

Spiritual abuse — coercive or controlling behavior in a religious context — is far more widespread than most Catholics realize.
Claiming something is a mortal sin for another person, or presenting personal opinion as Church teaching, are clear markers of spiritual coercion.
The desire to surrender freedom to rules or authority is deeply human and easily exploited. Mature faith requires owning one's conscience.
Using "the devil" as a scapegoat can itself become a mechanism of harm. True discernment leads to solidarity, not deflection.
Success in ministry is not measured by numbers, but by whether someone experiences encounter, gains language for their experience, and knows they are not alone.
The most prophetic gift Christians can offer today may simply be listening — without an agenda.

[00:00] — Introducing Paul Fahey Paul shares his background: eight years as a parish Director of Religious Education, husband and father of five, and now a licensed counselor in Michigan.
[01:30] — From Pope Francis Generation to The Third Space Paul co-founded the Pope Francis Generation Podcast with Dominic Dusa of Smart Catholics after unexpectedly leaving his parish job. As his work with abuse survivors deepened, he began noticing gaps between Pope Francis' teaching on human dignity and his governing decisions — prompting a full rebrand toward a podcast centered on Christ in the vulnerable and marginalized.
[06:00] — What Is "The Third Space"? Inspired by a conversation with mentor Monica Pope, Paul identified a void: survivors of Church harm are met either with Catholic defensiveness or with "why do you even stay?" The Third Space holds both — a place for people who want congruence between their experience of harm and their experience of good in the Church.
[07:45] — Who Is This Podcast For? Survivors of clerical sexual abuse, yes — but also the much broader category of spiritual abuse. Paul cites research from Dr. Lisa Oakley (UK) suggesting roughly 75% of Christians have experienced coercion or manipulation in their church communities. His audience is anyone harmed by the Church, and anyone with ears to hear the Gospel as told by those who've been hurt.
[10:00] — Why Podcasting? More than convenience — podcasting allows for live dialogue and spontaneous vulnerability that writing simply can't capture. Paul describes it as closer to leading RCIA or a small group than publishing an article.
[13:00] — Is the Church Doing Podcasting Well? A candid take on the lay-driven nature of Catholic media — and the troubling amount of spiritually harmful content circulating under the Catholic label. Bad Catholic content isn't poorly produced; it's content that misrepresents God, misrepresents the Church's teaching, and coerces consciences.
[16:30] — Defining Spiritual Abuse Paul walks through the core definition: a pattern of coercive or controlling behavior in a religious context, using spiritual authority to control others. Key markers include claiming something is a mortal sin for another person, presenting personal opinion as Church teaching, or using religious fear to manipulate beha...]]></content:encoded>
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What happens when the Church you love has also hurt you? For many Catholics, there's no safe space to hold both truths at once, until now. In this powerful bonus episode, hosts Dave Plisky and Fr. John Gribowich talk with Paul Fahey, licensed counselor, catechist, and host of the Third Space Podcast, to unpack what spiritual abuse really looks like, why so many Catholics unknowingly surrender their freedom, and how genuine listening may be the most prophetic act the Church can offer right now. 
IN THIS BONUS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE

Spiritual abuse — coercive or controlling behavior in a religious context — is far more widespread than most Catholics realize.
Claiming something is a mortal sin for another person, or presenting personal opinion as Church teaching, are clear markers of spiritual coercion.
The desire to surrender freedom to rules or authority is deeply human and easily exploited. Mature faith requires owning one's conscience.
Using "the devil" as a scapegoat can itself become a mechanism of harm. True discernment leads to solidarity, not deflection.
Success in ministry is not measured by numbers, but by whether someone experiences encounter, gains language for their experience, and knows they are not alone.
The most prophetic gift Christians can offer today may simply be listening — without an agenda.

[00:00] — Introducing Paul Fahey Paul shares his background: eight years as a parish Director of Religious Education, husband and father of five, and now a licensed counselor in Michigan.
[01:30] — From Pope Francis Generation to The Third Space Paul co-founded the Pope Francis Generation Podcast with Dominic Dusa of Smart Catholics after unexpectedly leaving his parish job. As his work with abuse survivors deepened, he began noticing gaps between Pope Francis' teaching on human dignity and his governing decisions — prompting a full rebrand toward a podcast centered on Christ in the vulnerable and marginalized.
[06:00] — What Is "The Third Space"? Inspired by a conversation with mentor Monica Pope, Paul identified a void: survivors of Church harm are met either with Catholic defensiveness or with "why do you even stay?" The Third Space holds both — a place for people who want congruence between their experience of harm and their experience of good in the Church.
[07:45] — Who Is This Podcast For? Survivors of clerical sexual abuse, yes — but also the much broader category of spiritual abuse. Paul cites research from Dr. Lisa Oakley (UK) suggesting roughly 75% of Christians have experienced coercion or manipulation in their church communities. His audience is anyone harmed by the Church, and anyone with ears to hear the Gospel as told by those who've been hurt.
[10:00] — Why Podcasting? More than convenience — podcasting allows for live dialogue and spontaneous vulnerability that writing simply can't capture. Paul describes it as closer to leading RCIA or a small group than publishing an article.
[13:00] — Is the Church Doing Podcasting Well? A candid take on the lay-driven nature of Catholic media — and the troubling amount of spiritually harmful content circulating under the Catholic label. Bad Catholic content isn't poorly produced; it's content that misrepresents God, misrepresents the Church's teaching, and coerces consciences.
[16:30] — Defining Spiritual Abuse Paul walks through the core definition: a pattern of coercive or controlling behavior in a religious context, using spiritual authority to control others. Key markers include claiming something is a mortal sin for another person, presenting personal opinion as Church teaching, or using religious fear to manipulate beha...]]></itunes:summary>
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IN THIS BONUS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE

Spiritual abuse — coercive or controlling behavior in a religious context — is far more widespread than most Catholics realize.
Claiming something is a mortal sin for another person, or presenting personal opinion as Church teaching, are clear markers of spiritual coercion.
The desire to surrender freedom to rules or authority is deeply human and easily exploited. Mature faith requires owning one's conscience.
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What does it really mean to live the Gospel, not just inside church walls, but on the street corner, in the storefront, and in the lives of people the world has written off? In this powerful bonus episode of Religion to Reality, hosts Dave Plisky and Father John Gribowich are joined by Father James O'Shea, a Passionist priest and co-founder of Reconnect, a community organization in Brooklyn that has spent over a decade transforming lives through employment, mentorship, and belonging. Father Jim shares why crossing the street, literally and figuratively, is the first and most essential act of discipleship. This conversation will challenge you, inspire you, and might just upend your narrative.
 
IN THIS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE:

"If you don't want to leave the block, then we transform the block." — Father Jim on the founding philosophy of Reconnect (00:03:30)


How a simple basketball program at a public school became a window into the lives — and recurring tragedies — of young men in Bed-Stuy (00:08:00)
Why moralizing with people goes nowhere, and what the church should do instead (00:09:30)
The difference between "behave, believe, then belong" vs. leading with belonging — and why it matters (00:10:30)
What the Passionists are, and how the charism of the Cross connects contemplation to solidarity with the suffering (00:14:30)
Why Father Jim fell in love with Bedford-Stuyvesant the first Sunday he went there (00:18:00)
The predictable, heartbreaking pattern he watched play out in young men's lives — and how Reconnect interrupts it (00:19:30)
"The church is the only institution I see that really has the capacity to continually witness: you are worth us doing this because we know who you are." (00:43:00)
Why human dignity as a concept may owe more to Christianity than most people realize — and what that means in the age of AI (00:48:30)
The irreplaceable role of women religious in humanizing American culture (00:52:00)
How the church should navigate controversial moral teachings while still leading with love (01:02:00)
"I'm not going to pontificate about it until I hear people's stories." — Father Jim on listening before judging (01:14:30)
Whether radical listening might be the defining prophetic witness the church is called to offer right now (01:08:30)
Why listening is "a very dangerous enterprise" — and why that's exactly the point (01:13:00)

About Father Jim O'Shea
Father Jim O'Shea, CP, is a member of the Passionist Congregation and currently serves as Provincial of the Passionists' Holy Cross Province, based in Queens, New York. Ordained in 1989, Father Jim spent approximately 25 years in Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn, where he earned a Master's in Social Work from Fordham University and became deeply involved in community organizing, affordable housing advocacy, and youth ministry. In 2010, he co-founded Reconnect, a social enterprise and mentorship program for young men in distressed communities. Reconnect is now based at Thomas Berry Place in Queens.
 
MEMORABLE QUOTES 
"If you don't want to leave the block, then we transform the block." — Father Jim O'Shea
"Moralizing with people is easy. But the legitimate question back to me is: what's your value add in my life?" — Father Jim O'Shea
"The church is the only institution I see that really has the capacity to continually witness: you are worth us doing this because we know who you are." — Father Jim O'Shea
"It's very hard to hate someone that you've really dee...]]></description>
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What does it really mean to live the Gospel, not just inside church walls, but on the street corner, in the storefront, and in the lives of people the world has written off? In this powerful bonus episode of Religion to Reality, hosts Dave Plisky and Father John Gribowich are joined by Father James O'Shea, a Passionist priest and co-founder of Reconnect, a community organization in Brooklyn that has spent over a decade transforming lives through employment, mentorship, and belonging. Father Jim shares why crossing the street, literally and figuratively, is the first and most essential act of discipleship. This conversation will challenge you, inspire you, and might just upend your narrative.
 
IN THIS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE:

"If you don't want to leave the block, then we transform the block." — Father Jim on the founding philosophy of Reconnect (00:03:30)


How a simple basketball program at a public school became a window into the lives — and recurring tragedies — of young men in Bed-Stuy (00:08:00)
Why moralizing with people goes nowhere, and what the church should do instead (00:09:30)
The difference between "behave, believe, then belong" vs. leading with belonging — and why it matters (00:10:30)
What the Passionists are, and how the charism of the Cross connects contemplation to solidarity with the suffering (00:14:30)
Why Father Jim fell in love with Bedford-Stuyvesant the first Sunday he went there (00:18:00)
The predictable, heartbreaking pattern he watched play out in young men's lives — and how Reconnect interrupts it (00:19:30)
"The church is the only institution I see that really has the capacity to continually witness: you are worth us doing this because we know who you are." (00:43:00)
Why human dignity as a concept may owe more to Christianity than most people realize — and what that means in the age of AI (00:48:30)
The irreplaceable role of women religious in humanizing American culture (00:52:00)
How the church should navigate controversial moral teachings while still leading with love (01:02:00)
"I'm not going to pontificate about it until I hear people's stories." — Father Jim on listening before judging (01:14:30)
Whether radical listening might be the defining prophetic witness the church is called to offer right now (01:08:30)
Why listening is "a very dangerous enterprise" — and why that's exactly the point (01:13:00)

About Father Jim O'Shea
Father Jim O'Shea, CP, is a member of the Passionist Congregation and currently serves as Provincial of the Passionists' Holy Cross Province, based in Queens, New York. Ordained in 1989, Father Jim spent approximately 25 years in Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn, where he earned a Master's in Social Work from Fordham University and became deeply involved in community organizing, affordable housing advocacy, and youth ministry. In 2010, he co-founded Reconnect, a social enterprise and mentorship program for young men in distressed communities. Reconnect is now based at Thomas Berry Place in Queens.
 
MEMORABLE QUOTES 
"If you don't want to leave the block, then we transform the block." — Father Jim O'Shea
"Moralizing with people is easy. But the legitimate question back to me is: what's your value add in my life?" — Father Jim O'Shea
"The church is the only institution I see that really has the capacity to continually witness: you are worth us doing this because we know who you are." — Father Jim O'Shea
"It's very hard to hate someone that you've really dee...]]></content:encoded>
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What does it really mean to live the Gospel, not just inside church walls, but on the street corner, in the storefront, and in the lives of people the world has written off? In this powerful bonus episode of Religion to Reality, hosts Dave Plisky and Father John Gribowich are joined by Father James O'Shea, a Passionist priest and co-founder of Reconnect, a community organization in Brooklyn that has spent over a decade transforming lives through employment, mentorship, and belonging. Father Jim shares why crossing the street, literally and figuratively, is the first and most essential act of discipleship. This conversation will challenge you, inspire you, and might just upend your narrative.
 
IN THIS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE:

"If you don't want to leave the block, then we transform the block." — Father Jim on the founding philosophy of Reconnect (00:03:30)


How a simple basketball program at a public school became a window into the lives — and recurring tragedies — of young men in Bed-Stuy (00:08:00)
Why moralizing with people goes nowhere, and what the church should do instead (00:09:30)
The difference between "behave, believe, then belong" vs. leading with belonging — and why it matters (00:10:30)
What the Passionists are, and how the charism of the Cross connects contemplation to solidarity with the suffering (00:14:30)
Why Father Jim fell in love with Bedford-Stuyvesant the first Sunday he went there (00:18:00)
The predictable, heartbreaking pattern he watched play out in young men's lives — and how Reconnect interrupts it (00:19:30)
"The church is the only institution I see that really has the capacity to continually witness: you are worth us doing this because we know who you are." (00:43:00)
Why human dignity as a concept may owe more to Christianity than most people realize — and what that means in the age of AI (00:48:30)
The irreplaceable role of women religious in humanizing American culture (00:52:00)
How the church should navigate controversial moral teachings while still leading with love (01:02:00)
"I'm not going to pontificate about it until I hear people's stories." — Father Jim on listening before judging (01:14:30)
Whether radical listening might be the defining prophetic witness the church is called to offer right now (01:08:30)
Why listening is "a very dangerous enterprise" — and why that's exactly the point (01:13:00)

About Father Jim O'Shea
Father Jim O'Shea, CP, is a member of the Passionist Congregation and currently serves as Provincial of the Passionists' Holy Cross Province, based in Queens, New York. Ordained in 1989, Father Jim spent approximately 25 years in Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn, where he earned a Master's in Social Work from Fordham University and became deeply involved in community organizing, affordable housing advocacy, and youth ministry. In 2010, he co-founded Reconnect, a social enterprise and mentorship program for young men in distressed communities. Reconnect is now based at Thomas Berry Place in Queens.
 
MEMORABLE QUOTES 
"If you don't want to leave the block, then we transform the block." — Father Jim O'Shea
"Moralizing with people is easy. But the legitimate question back to me is: what's your value add in my life?" — Father Jim O'Shea
"The church is the only institution I see that really has the capacity to continually witness: you are worth us doing this because we know who you are." — Father Jim O'Shea
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IN THIS EPISODE, WE EXPLORE:

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